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	<title>Comments on: Dr Eades and Tim Ferris on Intermittent Fasting</title>
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		<title>By: MikeOD</title>
		<link>http://www.theiflife.com/dr-eades-and-tim-ferris-on-if/comment-page-1/#comment-4063</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeOD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the 4 Hour Body (and probably won&#039;t), does he now recommend IF in some way?</description>
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		<title>By: Froluis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Froluis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first part is very positive about IF and the second totally negative. it seems that after publishing the first one Ferris realised that it was going against the recommandation of his book (4hour body).</description>
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		<title>By: Mike OD</title>
		<link>http://www.theiflife.com/dr-eades-and-tim-ferris-on-if/comment-page-1/#comment-474</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike OD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He states this:
&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Intermittent fasting (IF) reduced oxidative stress, made the animals more resistant to acute stress in general, reduced blood pressure, reduced blood sugar, improved insulin sensitivity, reduced the incidence of cancer, diabetes, and heart disease, and improved cognitive ability. But IF did even more. Animals that were intermittently fasted greatly increased the amount of brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) relative to CR animals. CR animals donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t produce much more BDNF than do ad libitum fed animals.&quot;
&lt;/strong&gt;
according to his own words, any IF program does &lt;strong&gt;NOT&lt;/strong&gt; negatively impact insulin resistance or blood pressure.

and from another study he cites:
&lt;strong&gt;&quot;observed health benefits starting in as little as two weeks, in insulin resistance, asthma, seasonal allergies, infectious diseases of viral, bacterial and fungal origin (viral URI, recurrent bacterial tonsillitis, chronic sinusitis, periodontal disease), autoimmune disorder (rheumatoid arthritis), osteoarthritis, symptoms due to CNS inflammatory lesions (TouretteÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s, MeniereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s) cardiac arrhythmias (PVCs, atrial fibrillation), menopause related hot flashes.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

but then he reports this:
&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Papers appeared showing that subjects IFing, or even regularly skipping a couple of meals per day, were developing insulin resistance, impaired glucose tolerance, elevated blood pressure, and decreased thermogenesis. Even Mark Mattson published a couple of human studies, including a randomized crossover designed experiment that showing the above disorders in women who ate the same number of calories in one meal per day as opposed to three meals per day.&quot;
&lt;/strong&gt;
First, it&#039;s already been stated that if you eat one large meal you will get a LARGE insulin response. I have not seen any links to those &quot;papers&quot; but would be very interested to see the control group and how it was fed. As for the Mark Mattson study, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/PIIS0026049507002806/abstract&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you can see the study here&lt;/a&gt;. Unless I am missing something the people either ate 3 meals or 1 meal in a window from 4-8pm for 8 weeks all with the same total of calories. Is it no shock the one meal group did not improve their health?
If you eat all carbs you will get an insulin response. Dr Eades &quot;hinted&quot; to the fact that the reason he IF&#039;d was so he could:
&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Because I looked at the IF as a strategy that allowed me to eat a lot of high carb foods that I would normally avoid and not pay the health consequences for it. If IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m going to limit myself to low-carb foods, why go on the IF?Ã¢â‚¬Â&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

So if one were to assume what he ate, it would appear that is would be foods high in carbs in one setting. Not a good choice especially if you are fasting like that every other day. I would bet the people seeing negative results were ones assuming that IF was a weight loss diet &quot;pass&quot; to eat anything they wanted to (which in turn is usually foods high in sugar and carbs). Remember that study above is based on subjects doing one meal EVERY day, not breaking up fasts or eating smaller meals.

So to answer the question, all the research and real world results point to &lt;strong&gt;ANY IF protocol&lt;/strong&gt; will get improvements in insulin resistance and other health markers if:
&lt;strong&gt; - You do not overeat per meal
- You do not consume high carbohydrate meals to promote a giant insulin response
- You try to break down your eating into smaller healthy meals
- You fast...well Intermittently....doing it too long every day is not the way to go&lt;/strong&gt;
There are always more IF and positive health studies you can see in the resources section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He states this:<br />
<strong>&#8220;Intermittent fasting (IF) reduced oxidative stress, made the animals more resistant to acute stress in general, reduced blood pressure, reduced blood sugar, improved insulin sensitivity, reduced the incidence of cancer, diabetes, and heart disease, and improved cognitive ability. But IF did even more. Animals that were intermittently fasted greatly increased the amount of brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) relative to CR animals. CR animals donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t produce much more BDNF than do ad libitum fed animals.&#8221;<br />
</strong><br />
according to his own words, any IF program does <strong>NOT</strong> negatively impact insulin resistance or blood pressure.</p>
<p>and from another study he cites:<br />
<strong>&#8220;observed health benefits starting in as little as two weeks, in insulin resistance, asthma, seasonal allergies, infectious diseases of viral, bacterial and fungal origin (viral URI, recurrent bacterial tonsillitis, chronic sinusitis, periodontal disease), autoimmune disorder (rheumatoid arthritis), osteoarthritis, symptoms due to CNS inflammatory lesions (TouretteÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s, MeniereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s) cardiac arrhythmias (PVCs, atrial fibrillation), menopause related hot flashes.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>but then he reports this:<br />
<strong>&#8220;Papers appeared showing that subjects IFing, or even regularly skipping a couple of meals per day, were developing insulin resistance, impaired glucose tolerance, elevated blood pressure, and decreased thermogenesis. Even Mark Mattson published a couple of human studies, including a randomized crossover designed experiment that showing the above disorders in women who ate the same number of calories in one meal per day as opposed to three meals per day.&#8221;<br />
</strong><br />
First, it&#8217;s already been stated that if you eat one large meal you will get a LARGE insulin response. I have not seen any links to those &#8220;papers&#8221; but would be very interested to see the control group and how it was fed. As for the Mark Mattson study, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/PIIS0026049507002806/abstract"  rel="nofollow">you can see the study here</a>. Unless I am missing something the people either ate 3 meals or 1 meal in a window from 4-8pm for 8 weeks all with the same total of calories. Is it no shock the one meal group did not improve their health?<br />
If you eat all carbs you will get an insulin response. Dr Eades &#8220;hinted&#8221; to the fact that the reason he IF&#8217;d was so he could:<br />
<strong>&#8220;Because I looked at the IF as a strategy that allowed me to eat a lot of high carb foods that I would normally avoid and not pay the health consequences for it. If IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m going to limit myself to low-carb foods, why go on the IF?Ã¢â‚¬Â&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>So if one were to assume what he ate, it would appear that is would be foods high in carbs in one setting. Not a good choice especially if you are fasting like that every other day. I would bet the people seeing negative results were ones assuming that IF was a weight loss diet &#8220;pass&#8221; to eat anything they wanted to (which in turn is usually foods high in sugar and carbs). Remember that study above is based on subjects doing one meal EVERY day, not breaking up fasts or eating smaller meals.</p>
<p>So to answer the question, all the research and real world results point to <strong>ANY IF protocol</strong> will get improvements in insulin resistance and other health markers if:<br />
<strong> &#8211; You do not overeat per meal<br />
- You do not consume high carbohydrate meals to promote a giant insulin response<br />
- You try to break down your eating into smaller healthy meals<br />
- You fast&#8230;well Intermittently&#8230;.doing it too long every day is not the way to go</strong><br />
There are always more IF and positive health studies you can see in the resources section.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So we just take that feedback and make an IF program that works. There is just no one set way to IF, it is a lifestyle model that is flexible to many people with many different needs.&quot;


Not to belabor the point, but I have read EVERY entry on Dr. Eades&#039; blog trying to find an answer to Troy&#039;s question -  assuming that we eat the very best of foods in multiple meals on non-fasting days, WHAT IF program will work WITHOUT  negatively impacting insulin resistance or blood pressure???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So we just take that feedback and make an IF program that works. There is just no one set way to IF, it is a lifestyle model that is flexible to many people with many different needs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not to belabor the point, but I have read EVERY entry on Dr. Eades&#8217; blog trying to find an answer to Troy&#8217;s question &#8211;  assuming that we eat the very best of foods in multiple meals on non-fasting days, WHAT IF program will work WITHOUT  negatively impacting insulin resistance or blood pressure???</p>
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		<title>By: Mike OD</title>
		<link>http://www.theiflife.com/dr-eades-and-tim-ferris-on-if/comment-page-1/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike OD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donny - I think you are right in that cycling 1 meal days periodically can provide a benefit. Doing it too often (like 3x a week) will drop the metabolism and probably lead to little if any fat loss. Personally I would love to eat a frozen pizza every night for my only meal and not gain weight, but that won&#039;t happen. In moderation it can help especially like you said about knowing that it will be a large meal at a special event and more so that you do not want to feel like you have to sit in the corner eating celery sticks. Moderation is the key as there is no reason not to enjoy food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donny &#8211; I think you are right in that cycling 1 meal days periodically can provide a benefit. Doing it too often (like 3x a week) will drop the metabolism and probably lead to little if any fat loss. Personally I would love to eat a frozen pizza every night for my only meal and not gain weight, but that won&#8217;t happen. In moderation it can help especially like you said about knowing that it will be a large meal at a special event and more so that you do not want to feel like you have to sit in the corner eating celery sticks. Moderation is the key as there is no reason not to enjoy food.</p>
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		<title>By: donnyrosart</title>
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		<dc:creator>donnyrosart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use one meal a day fasts for special occasions, like birthday parties. If you absolutely know that dinner is going to be a days worth of calories on a particular day, there is no upside to eating breakfast and lunch. Prob&#039;ly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use one meal a day fasts for special occasions, like birthday parties. If you absolutely know that dinner is going to be a days worth of calories on a particular day, there is no upside to eating breakfast and lunch. Prob&#8217;ly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike OD</title>
		<link>http://www.theiflife.com/dr-eades-and-tim-ferris-on-if/comment-page-1/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike OD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odin - Thanks. I think you nailed one of the main reasons people love IF, is the freedom from &quot;living to eat&quot;. So much more out there in life to experience than planning the next meal. So even if the results for a eat 6x a day plan and IF plan were the same for weight loss, IF is just more freeing to do (not to mention all the additional health benefits)...and more realistic that this could be a long term lifestyle. As you will see plenty of people fall off the 6x a day bandwagon, gain the weight back and just be in worst shape than before. Success is just consistency of the simple things that work.

Fasts can be whatever you want them to be, as long as you are getting the results you are after. I am going to try a 3 day modified fast to see if it helps with increasing the recovery time from an injury I currently have. It will probably be draining, or not...who knows but that is the fun of trying, to see what happens. I do believe that 24hr+ fasts really go into another level of healing (all depending on what state of health you are in). A 3 day fast will be modified with probably some fruit juice (freshly juiced not from the store) and protein powder to keep some energy up, but also keep digestion simple. If it works this may be some sort of routine maintenance that I do every 3-6 months, as it might get a deeper level of cellular cleaning each time (that a daily IF could not).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odin &#8211; Thanks. I think you nailed one of the main reasons people love IF, is the freedom from &#8220;living to eat&#8221;. So much more out there in life to experience than planning the next meal. So even if the results for a eat 6x a day plan and IF plan were the same for weight loss, IF is just more freeing to do (not to mention all the additional health benefits)&#8230;and more realistic that this could be a long term lifestyle. As you will see plenty of people fall off the 6x a day bandwagon, gain the weight back and just be in worst shape than before. Success is just consistency of the simple things that work.</p>
<p>Fasts can be whatever you want them to be, as long as you are getting the results you are after. I am going to try a 3 day modified fast to see if it helps with increasing the recovery time from an injury I currently have. It will probably be draining, or not&#8230;who knows but that is the fun of trying, to see what happens. I do believe that 24hr+ fasts really go into another level of healing (all depending on what state of health you are in). A 3 day fast will be modified with probably some fruit juice (freshly juiced not from the store) and protein powder to keep some energy up, but also keep digestion simple. If it works this may be some sort of routine maintenance that I do every 3-6 months, as it might get a deeper level of cellular cleaning each time (that a daily IF could not).</p>
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		<title>By: Odin</title>
		<link>http://www.theiflife.com/dr-eades-and-tim-ferris-on-if/comment-page-1/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>Odin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it no surprise that good food choices produce better results than poor ones.  The only surprise is that Dr Eades thought you could get round this via the IF protocol.

Personally for me, I like the &#039;peripheral&#039; effects of IF; heightened appreciation of food when you eat it, greater consciousness towards your eating habits.  I do think randomised fast-lengths are best - consistent long fasts have left me drained after a few days.

Anyway, awesome blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it no surprise that good food choices produce better results than poor ones.  The only surprise is that Dr Eades thought you could get round this via the IF protocol.</p>
<p>Personally for me, I like the &#8216;peripheral&#8217; effects of IF; heightened appreciation of food when you eat it, greater consciousness towards your eating habits.  I do think randomised fast-lengths are best &#8211; consistent long fasts have left me drained after a few days.</p>
<p>Anyway, awesome blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike OD</title>
		<link>http://www.theiflife.com/dr-eades-and-tim-ferris-on-if/comment-page-1/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike OD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the first 2/3 of the article was good...and then the rest was kind of a 180. If you note in his article he says:
&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Even Mark Mattson published a couple of human studies, including a randomized crossover designed experiment that showing the above disorders in women who ate the same number of calories in one meal per day as opposed to three meals per day.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
Eating one meal a day of a ton of calories is never going to be a good idea as you are just asking for a large insulin response. You will see people that do daily fasts here that get results are still eating smaller 3+ meals of healthy foods in a shorter window. Here&#039;s another &lt;a href=&quot;http://ifdiet.blogspot.com/2007/11/one-meal-day-vs-intermittent-fasting.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article to comment on that study&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;The one question that remains unanswered is whether or not the intermittent fast followed in a low-carbohydrate way will lead to these same problems. To me, that point is kind of moot. Why? Because I looked at the IF as a strategy that allowed me to eat a lot of high carb foods that I would normally avoid and not pay the health consequences for it. If IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m going to limit myself to low-carb foods, why go on the IF?&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
So according to that comment IF only would work if you are allowed to eat anything you want and doesn&#039;t count if you decided to eat healthy? I think the truth there is that IF is not a license to eat whatever you want and still look like a supermodel. Won&#039;t happen. Note that his version of IF was fasting 24hr every other day (eating one day till 6pm, then fasting till next day till 6pm...and then repeating). That is alot of fasting going on. People have found success on the 24hr version with less frequency per week, or with a modified daily fasting window (see the past article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://theiflife.com/iflifeblog/2008/02/27/intermittent-fasting-101-how-to-start-part-i/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;how to start IF&lt;/a&gt;)

While it seems that he sells IF in part I and then discards it in Part II, I believe all feedback on IF is important, even the negative. So you can&#039;t eat anything you want to lose tons of weight. Sure that is true. Eating 1 meal a day of alot of calories will drop your metabolism and not get weight loss. Of course it will. So we just take that feedback and make an IF program that works. There is just no one set way to IF, it is a lifestyle model that is flexible to many people with many different needs. You will always hear that quality of food is important in any eating program (whether IF or otherwise). &lt;strong&gt;There are just too many people who have had success on IF for years to throw it out the window just because one approach of IF didn&#039;t work. There are many other variables to consider (and modify) and the longevity and health benefits of fasting are just too great to dismiss.&lt;/strong&gt; I would highly recommend reading more of Dr Eades work on his blog as he has excellent insights into many things (especially the dangers of statins and cholesterol).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the first 2/3 of the article was good&#8230;and then the rest was kind of a 180. If you note in his article he says:<br />
<em><strong>&#8220;Even Mark Mattson published a couple of human studies, including a randomized crossover designed experiment that showing the above disorders in women who ate the same number of calories in one meal per day as opposed to three meals per day.&#8221;</strong></em><br />
Eating one meal a day of a ton of calories is never going to be a good idea as you are just asking for a large insulin response. You will see people that do daily fasts here that get results are still eating smaller 3+ meals of healthy foods in a shorter window. Here&#8217;s another <a target="_blank" href="http://ifdiet.blogspot.com/2007/11/one-meal-day-vs-intermittent-fasting.html"  rel="nofollow">article to comment on that study</a>.</p>
<p><em><strong>&#8220;The one question that remains unanswered is whether or not the intermittent fast followed in a low-carbohydrate way will lead to these same problems. To me, that point is kind of moot. Why? Because I looked at the IF as a strategy that allowed me to eat a lot of high carb foods that I would normally avoid and not pay the health consequences for it. If IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m going to limit myself to low-carb foods, why go on the IF?&#8221;</strong></em><br />
So according to that comment IF only would work if you are allowed to eat anything you want and doesn&#8217;t count if you decided to eat healthy? I think the truth there is that IF is not a license to eat whatever you want and still look like a supermodel. Won&#8217;t happen. Note that his version of IF was fasting 24hr every other day (eating one day till 6pm, then fasting till next day till 6pm&#8230;and then repeating). That is alot of fasting going on. People have found success on the 24hr version with less frequency per week, or with a modified daily fasting window (see the past article on <a href="http://theiflife.com/iflifeblog/2008/02/27/intermittent-fasting-101-how-to-start-part-i/"  rel="nofollow">how to start IF</a>)</p>
<p>While it seems that he sells IF in part I and then discards it in Part II, I believe all feedback on IF is important, even the negative. So you can&#8217;t eat anything you want to lose tons of weight. Sure that is true. Eating 1 meal a day of alot of calories will drop your metabolism and not get weight loss. Of course it will. So we just take that feedback and make an IF program that works. There is just no one set way to IF, it is a lifestyle model that is flexible to many people with many different needs. You will always hear that quality of food is important in any eating program (whether IF or otherwise). <strong>There are just too many people who have had success on IF for years to throw it out the window just because one approach of IF didn&#8217;t work. There are many other variables to consider (and modify) and the longevity and health benefits of fasting are just too great to dismiss.</strong> I would highly recommend reading more of Dr Eades work on his blog as he has excellent insights into many things (especially the dangers of statins and cholesterol).</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s looking like the intermittent fast is another of those ideas in science that looks good in animal studies then not so good in human studies..&quot;


Why would anyone give I.F. a try after reading this comment by Dr. Eades?  He does NOT seem to imply that eating (1) only healthy food or  (2) three meals instead of just one on non-fasting days will eliminate possible problems with insulin resistance and elevated blood pressure.  You, however, seem to imply the contrary.  Am I wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s looking like the intermittent fast is another of those ideas in science that looks good in animal studies then not so good in human studies..&#8221;</p>
<p>Why would anyone give I.F. a try after reading this comment by Dr. Eades?  He does NOT seem to imply that eating (1) only healthy food or  (2) three meals instead of just one on non-fasting days will eliminate possible problems with insulin resistance and elevated blood pressure.  You, however, seem to imply the contrary.  Am I wrong?</p>
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